tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post2977134417956004927..comments2024-03-25T12:55:40.911+00:00Comments on Caron's Musings: Labour leadership hopeful's staffer tells student to "shut the f*** up" at demoAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-62689854826195730212011-11-23T21:45:57.161+00:002011-11-23T21:45:57.161+00:00Had I been an MP, I would have voted against the i...Had I been an MP, I would have voted against the increase in fees cos of the trust issue, even though I wouldn't have signed the pledge myself. <br /><br />If I had ruled the Lib Dem world, though, I would have made sure no andidate signed what in effect was a great big trap. By the time the system changed, not even .NUS believed in the pledge they originated.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-4588775909457359602011-11-23T21:40:38.190+00:002011-11-23T21:40:38.190+00:00Are you really saying, in two subsequent comments ...Are you really saying, in two subsequent comments Caron, that "we should never have signed that pledge" and "we should have stuck by the pledge"?<br /><br />Do you not see why the Lib Dems are haemhorraging votes when even the party activists don't know which way to turn?Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485196287282298695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-54270082573752919992011-11-23T18:14:45.360+00:002011-11-23T18:14:45.360+00:00I think we should have stuck by the pledge - but I...I think we should have stuck by the pledge - but I can't condemn the Lib Dem ministers who put together a much better and fairer system than the one it replaces.<br /><br />The issue became one of trust rather than policy with the pledge and that's why I think we never should have signed it. Given the economic situation, we were never going to be able to deliver on it.<br /><br />And, actually, there was a good chance we were going to end up in power.<br /><br />I guess we could have held out, but then we wouldn't have been able to deliver a tax cut that takes 91000 Scots out of income tax altogether, or maybe we wouldn't have been able to restore the pensions/earnings link, or help out with superfast broadband for Scotland.<br /><br />This is not an easy time to be in Government, but I think we're doing a lot of good with the influence we have.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-89856700778435118152011-11-23T18:10:16.398+00:002011-11-23T18:10:16.398+00:00i find it a tad hard to swallow that the LIb Dem&#...i find it a tad hard to swallow that the LIb Dem's stance is that the shouldn't have signed the pledge, rather than not voting it through.<br />That was the real betrayal, and admitting you never expected to be in power is no excuse at all.<br /><br />agree though, its an awful story this.Holyrood Patterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00011279364711982978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-19345644226281068852011-11-23T18:03:40.519+00:002011-11-23T18:03:40.519+00:00Slightly awkward because we certainly made some mi...Slightly awkward because we certainly made some mistakes - we should never have signed that pledge and we have to hold our hands up to that one.<br /><br />However, to redeem ourselves, rather than just let the Tories pass unlimited fees, we worked within the Government to deliver a system that means that people on low incomes will pay much less than they did under Labour's system.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-61053028398203965332011-11-23T17:46:37.043+00:002011-11-23T17:46:37.043+00:00It's always awkward when Liberal Democrats try...It's always awkward when Liberal Democrats try to sound like the good guys on Higher Education funding.Roryhttp://scotlandthinks.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com