tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post7289720725432413364..comments2024-03-25T12:55:40.911+00:00Comments on Caron's Musings: That strange SNP logic where Independence will win even if it comes secondAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-43444937142106765212011-10-26T13:15:07.140+01:002011-10-26T13:15:07.140+01:00Caron you said..
"And when Mike Moore and Wi...Caron you said..<br /><br />"And when Mike Moore and Willie Rennie try to get details about their plans out of them, they tell us to wait and all will be revealed in good time"<br /><br />What part of 'the 2nd half of the parliamentary session' don't you guys understand ?<br />If the referendum debate and vote was brought forward then you would probably moan about that as well. Asking why it was brought forward when we claimed it was to be in the latter part of the parliamentary session lolBobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-7184864501330123582011-10-25T11:46:09.190+01:002011-10-25T11:46:09.190+01:00It's not enough that you or other Lib Dem acti...It's not enough that you or other Lib Dem activists support Devomax. Your leadership - or if not yours, someone else's - needs to define it, and to explain how it will be delivered, and finally to vote for it when the referendum bill comes before the parliament. <br /><br />"Listening to the people" is a catchy line, but the reality is that Westminster is the only place that can implement Devomax. Unless we hear convincing assurances from Dave, Ed and Nick that they would implement whatever Devomax is agreed to mean, there's absolutely no point in putting it on a ballot paper.Angus McLellanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14238976801715524150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-23541613943780343152011-10-25T11:28:24.498+01:002011-10-25T11:28:24.498+01:00Sorry Caron but this Lib Dem will not be campaigni...Sorry Caron but this Lib Dem will not be campaigning for a multi-option question in any referendum.<br /><br />The multi-option will lead to just the confusion your article refers to. <br /><br />The only choice for any referendum on any subject to be held anywhere in the UK is a single question one.<br /><br />In Scotland that has to be: "Do you wish Scotland to remain an integral part of the UK? Yes/No".Stuart Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04421587799907150093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-1884816174475580082011-10-25T10:59:25.077+01:002011-10-25T10:59:25.077+01:00Wouldn't the obvious solution be for voters to...Wouldn't the obvious solution be for voters to rank the options? Therefore pro independence people would put Independence 1, Devo max 2 and status quo 3, for example.Malcolmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-74284063383589240452011-10-25T10:32:18.241+01:002011-10-25T10:32:18.241+01:00By the way, I really, really hope the Lib dems cam...By the way, I really, really hope the Lib dems campaign for devo max, I would very much like them to grasp the challenge and start defining a good liberal democratic vision for Scotland's future, that is short of independence, but that still brings power closer to the people fo Scotland.<br /><br />By playing affronted over details then we risk leaving the third option unchampioned, and that makes independence more likely not less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-59972585897934651002011-10-25T10:28:53.901+01:002011-10-25T10:28:53.901+01:00In your example, of the 99 who voted for devo max,...In your example, of the 99 who voted for devo max, 51 almost certainly also voted for independence. In that case the numbers break down like this:<br /><br />1% wants the status quo, things are fine thanks very much.<br /><br />51% want independence, but will also settle for devo max.<br /><br />48% want devo max but NOT independence.<br /><br />Which option should win?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-23106647814215542032011-10-25T10:11:19.430+01:002011-10-25T10:11:19.430+01:00Well, I'll be campaigning for Devo Max and exp...Well, I'll be campaigning for Devo Max and expect a lot of Lib Dems to be too. <br /><br />And it's only a democratic choice if they listen to the people. <br /><br />If they disregard a very clear mandate for devo max, that would be incredibly serious.<br /><br />And as for the UK parties wanting to run the referendum from Westminster - well, I really don't agree with that. It would be completely counter-productive. This has to come from within Scotland - but we need to have confidence in the SNP implementing the will of the Scottish people.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-42242688774229691482011-10-25T10:00:03.667+01:002011-10-25T10:00:03.667+01:00So Caron, can we assume them that the LibDems (bot...So Caron, can we assume them that the LibDems (both North and South of the border) are going to pick up the DevoMax baton and campaign for a just and democratic DevoMax option in the referendum?<br /><br />Also, "astonishing disregard for democracy" - given that DevoMax is currently considered the most popular and likely outcome in a referendum, surely the SNP should be commended for offering the electorate a democratic choice? Something the UK parties want to deny by running the referendum themselves... without the DevoMax option.<br /><br />The SNP have offered DevoMax to the Unionist parties for themselves, to campaign for and to be involved in defining the question. They might be hedging their bets, but denying democracy surely cant be the charge?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com