tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post8764425739917223029..comments2024-03-25T12:55:40.911+00:00Comments on Caron's Musings: Brian Taylor gets it wrong - Willie Rennie was comparatively polite today #sp4Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-55885671860630550242011-05-28T13:23:19.228+01:002011-05-28T13:23:19.228+01:00Not too busy to do a whole pile more blogging and ...Not too busy to do a whole pile more blogging and answering of comments. I just think that good manners cost nothing but hey if you want to lapse into that favourite tactic of Lib Dem bloggers, silence with the excuse of being busy then that’s your business. As indeed is your wafer thin attempt to claim the moral high ground.<br /><br />Everyone clearly doesn’t know, as I think I can be fairly included in the bracket of “everyone”. What you mean is every Lib Dem thinks they know. And if you really want everyone to know then it might be a good idea to start to try to convince people. Because, like it or not, politics is about personalities as much as its about policy and running away from Willies personality flaws and the obvious sophistry that he used to get himself a billet in the his parliament of second choice will, I have every confidence, combine with Willie’s disastrous policy of embracing the English coalition of depriving the Lib Dems of their five remaining MSPs!Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-55118258921547694302011-05-28T08:59:49.051+01:002011-05-28T08:59:49.051+01:00Or, alternatively, I might just have been busy.
E...Or, alternatively, I might just have been busy.<br /><br />Everyone knows that Willie was elected fairly and squarely to Parliament. If you want to debate actual proper issues, fair enough, but I'm not going to get engaged in a conversation which will never stop. Essentially, all you want to do is fling personal insults around about someone who has proven themselves to be a hard working, effective parliamentarian.<br /><br />Talk about policy, and keep personalities out of it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-17008441287851325672011-05-28T08:07:26.810+01:002011-05-28T08:07:26.810+01:00I shall take silence as a gracious acknowledgement...I shall take silence as a gracious acknowledgement that what I say is essentially correct. Thank you!Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-18657638782921606042011-05-27T13:21:25.449+01:002011-05-27T13:21:25.449+01:00But Caron like Annabelle he didn’t win. So that is...But Caron like Annabelle he didn’t win. So that is a rejection by the people of Fife....yes? Even you must acknowledge that!<br /><br />Lib Dem members deciding that Willie should go at the top of a list is hardly an endorsement from the electorate at large now is it? How many Lib Dem members are there in Fife these days? It is nice to know that Willie canvassed all those party members so vociferously to propel his name to the top of the list instead of deciding to stand in a constituency and let the actual real voters decide.<br /><br />Maybe it would do you more credit to acknowledge that Willie is a failed Westminster wannabe whose second choice of gravy train was Holyrood!Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-63957698085328315372011-05-27T08:30:16.748+01:002011-05-27T08:30:16.748+01:00Munguin, Willie got an 8% swing from Labour on a n...Munguin, Willie got an 8% swing from Labour on a night when the whole of Scotland was clinging to them like they were some sort of security blanket. That's a testament to his hard work over 4 years during which he helped over 9000 people. It was one of the highest swings, if not the highest, in the UK from Labour.<br /><br />I don't think you understand how Lib Dem selection processes work. Every member has a vote, and Willie spent all of last Summer visiting and talking to members in the region. He had to work for his selection, and, given the night we had, his eventual election was down to the fact that his former constituents wanted him back.<br /><br />Maybe it would do you more credit to talk about the issues rather than personally attack individuals.<br /><br />Even Willie's enemies appreciate his energy and character, even if they don't like what he says.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-43026642810186157512011-05-26T23:43:24.941+01:002011-05-26T23:43:24.941+01:00Caron I hardly think that is the same by any stret...Caron I hardly think that is the same by any stretch of the imagination. Annabelle was not a sitting MP in 2010 when she failed to take Ochil and South Perthshire from Labour. However she did increase the SNP vote by 4%. Hardly a rejection along the lines of being booted out by the voters of Fife al la Willie Rennie, especially when Willie thought he had been so good he would have hung on to the seat. So she is not a failed MP in the same class as your illustrious leader who is an MP one minute and an MSP the next. How many Fife constituencies did you take again? Oh none, so that puts failed MP Rennie number one on your list. Whereas Annabelle was third on the SNPs coming after John Swinney, Bruce Crawford and Roseanna Cunningham (they all won a constituency you see). If the SNP had wanted to parachute her into Holyrood no matter what do you not think that they would have done what the Lib Dems did and put her at the top of the list? Really is that the best you can do?Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-20958747581254961342011-05-26T21:31:57.869+01:002011-05-26T21:31:57.869+01:00Aye well I think we'd be better off without An...Aye well I think we'd be better off without Annabelle too. That's one living off someone else's reputation in my opinion.<br /><br />As for Willie, who I like a lot as an individual, I think he has seriously misjudged his entrance.<br /><br />Of all the new leaders, he is the one with all the time in the world yet he in his rush to make a big splash he has just made himself look daft.<br /><br />On this form, you should be thanking your lucky stars his contribution at FMQs is going to severely constrained.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-90941356771710904822011-05-26T19:11:17.863+01:002011-05-26T19:11:17.863+01:00So, Munguin, is Annabelle Ewing, having been rejec...So, Munguin, is Annabelle Ewing, having been rejected by the voters in her Westminster constituency, now SNP list MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife, been parachuted in as a Westminster failure?<br /><br />If you are saying Willie has no legitimate claim to be in a Parliament he's very proud to be in, then the same must surely be true for Annabelle.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-79110551494693221582011-05-26T17:40:36.903+01:002011-05-26T17:40:36.903+01:00Caron: did you deliberately miss the point?
Jonn...Caron: did you deliberately miss the point? <br /><br />Jonnie-come-lately from the English parliament, now here in the Scottish one, or “this place”, as he so demandingly calls it. Did you forget that prior to 2010 when his fellow Fifers decided to not vote for him anymore, he was a member of the English parliament?<br /><br />No I have no problem with the list at all. Except where it is used, as here, to parachute in some Westminster failure who was given his marching orders by the people of Fife. Add insult to insult why don’t you? And anoint that failure as the failure in chief of the failed party and leader of the failed.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-43887251397287984242011-05-26T12:52:07.655+01:002011-05-26T12:52:07.655+01:00It seems not, Gavin. And a pity, because I thought...It seems not, Gavin. And a pity, because I thought they'd grown up a lot during their period of minority government. They might have had a bit more sympathy for the position Mike Moore is in.<br /><br />Munguin, really. A jonny come lately from England? He's from Fife, for goodness sake.<br /><br />Don't you approve of list MSPs then?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04988201531739344840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-18328134777602168602011-05-26T11:50:08.566+01:002011-05-26T11:50:08.566+01:00I note Willie seems to have stirred up some abuse ...I note Willie seems to have stirred up some abuse from the MacBlogosphere.<br /><br />I read his words before I saw anyone else's comments and thought they were reasonable.<br /><br />I saw a clip and heard mutterings in the background.<br /><br />As you say The LibDems got heavy flak for working with Labour in 1999.<br /><br />King Alex is feisty and likes a bit of Punch and Judy more than anyone.<br /><br />I note Tavish got criticism form the MacBlogosphere for not supporting the Nats - and this was described as negative and unconstructive.<br /><br />I wonder.<br /><br />Is opposition to and debate with the Nats not allowed?GHmltnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08420475365803049630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-85441048222723622822011-05-26T08:52:56.138+01:002011-05-26T08:52:56.138+01:00Willie seems to forget that he is not in Westminst...Willie seems to forget that he is not in Westminster anymore, and his references to “this place” and holding the SNP majority to account. That kind of adversarial politics is what landed the Scottish Lib Dems and Scottish Labour in the mess they are now in. How would better serve “muscular liberalism” by minimising his party’s minority and not spewing a load of twaddle more suited to England’s green benches.<br /><br />Where does he get off anyway? A jonnie-come-lately from England with a very flimsy mandate seeing as the people of Fife told him to sling his hook as an MP in 2010. Fortunately for the Scottish Lib Dems they have been able to use the list system as a sort of Scottish House of Lords for all the old trash that the voters did not want. And so Willie has been able to get himself a billet without bothering to face the electorate again. That should make his lectures go down all the better.Munguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16475165830302054002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-14979645995727406942011-05-25T23:09:56.034+01:002011-05-25T23:09:56.034+01:00I would suggest that you make an official complain...I would suggest that you make an official complaint as what is written down is not a word for word transcript of what Willie said as changing words changes tone.<br /><br />1.5 claps not 3 as I thought earlier oh and you might not like the FM's response about 25.20 mins.<br /><br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/scotland/newsid_9494000/9494226.stm" rel="nofollow">Scottish Parliament</a>cynicalHighlanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06034325908473006163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34128264.post-24849839350128298102011-05-25T22:20:21.942+01:002011-05-25T22:20:21.942+01:00Nowhere to hide? What on earth is Mr. Rennie talki...Nowhere to hide? What on earth is Mr. Rennie talking about. Where did the SNP hide last time? There seems to be a collective delusion among the unionist members of parliament that majority government for the SNP in this parliament is going to be more difficult than dealing with the fractious and obstructive majority opposition in the last parliament.<br /><br /><i>"...there will be a focus on breaking up Britain; and that what we see before us this morning is Alex Salmond’s new independence army."</i><br /><br />The whole point of the SNP is to create an independent Scotland. Independence even has its own chapter in the SNP manifesto and the electorate know that with the SNP what's written on the label is what you get in the tin. The electorate knew the score and voted in the SNP with a majority. That last time the majority opposition in the Scottish Parliament said that an independence referendum bill in the Scottish parliament had no chance they then turned on the SNP and said that that it was a, "broken promise". So what does Mr. Rennie want? The SNP to keep their promise to the electorate for an independence referendum or to do a Lib-Dem and forget a large part of their manifesto promises at the sniff of power?DougtheDughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02952281599715356995noreply@blogger.com